August 8, 2004
Gordon: This is
Gordon Pepper - and we are celebrating being around for
5 years - and celebrating the end of Next Action Star.
Chico: And we're mourning the end of Last Comic
Standing while wondering why anyone would eat cockroach
burritos for a green card. I'm Chico Alexander, and from
somewhere in America, where the sun is shining.. unless
of course it rains... WLTI is on. First up, the end of
Last Comic Standing... if only for 16 days.
Gordon: We are joined today by our favorite
Canadian, Ryan Vickers. How are the Canadians dealing
with the end of LCS 2 and NAS?
Ryan: You mean the few that are watching it?
Chico: Yep, the few that are watching it.
Ryan: There's been some press about the fact that
the female winner of NAS is originally from Ottawa, and
we love to trumpet those type of people.
Chico: Kind of like what happened in NC when Clay
"lost" American Idol
Gordon: How is she handling it?
Ryan: I've seen one article in the press about
the lady from NAS but other than that, nadda. We're more
worried whether Survivor 11 is coming to Canadian soil
or not. As for Last Comic Standing, the few parts I've
seen of it confuse the living daylights out of me
because they change the rules frequently from what I
Gordon: They do have a history of saying one
thing and then doing something else. We call it the
Political Comedy Version of LCS 2
Ryan: Isn't that pretty much par for the course
for some other shows too?
Chico: Yep, pretty much.
Gordon: Yes - like BB5 - expect the unexpected.
Ryan: And more!
Chico: Rules change. You have to adapt or else...
Boom... Gone. Case in point: Jase and the two Adrias.
Ryan: See that's my problem... shouldn't they be
stating the rules at the start and then sticking to
them? As for the twins... a little too much help I
Gordon: That would mean that people would play
fairly. What's the fun in that?
Chico: Have to agree. If you get the chance, read
"Warrior Politics". Victory fares those who play dirty.
Ryan: But as a viewer I expect a certain standard
from these types of shows... maybe I'm naive, but
imagine if during a random episode of Wheel the price of
vowels inflated? Imagine the outrage!
Gordon: What if they changed the price values of
the wheel to Canadian dollars?
Chico: Or Disney Dollars.
Ryan: Now that's something entertaining!
Congratulations, you've won $50 even though your score
reads $12,356. And you'd get to shop for various sizes
of maple syrup and back bacon.
Gordon: What replaces the ceramic Dalmatian?
Ryan: Ceramic beavers, of course!
Chico: I was thinking moose.
Ryan: Also a distinct possibility.
Gordon: We have the annoying talking singing
mantled fish. Do you guys have the annoying singing
Ryan: I have a singing lobster in my closet that
has never been opened. His name is Larry. He would make
an excellent pet, I'm sure.
Chico: Okay, back to where we were.... where were
Chico: Okay. Tabloid misuses the term "fixed".
Ryan: You're talking about the Globe, right?
Gordon: Gee, a tabloid misrepresented a word?
Ryan: I saw that at the checkout aisle and
couldn't bring myself to buy it, even if it would have
been for "business". Guys! Tabloids are brilliant!
Gordon: What is the Canadian opinion on Jennings?
Ryan: It certainly has done wonders for the
Jeopardy popularity up here - there are people that come
and talk to me and ask "so, is he still on"? People seem
to like him overall, though, although I see various
comments about "nerds". I haven't checked, but I bet you
CTV is having a cash cow right now with their holding of
Chico: Them and everyone else. You know they
bumped up ad rates right?
Ryan: Yes, I heard about the ad rates. But I
should also mention that the National Post did a NCAA-style
bracket system for news stories during July and guess
what, our boy Ken came out on top.
Ryan: For popular culture that is.
Chico: I should also mention that he made VH1's
Best Month Ever's top 10.
Gordon: That's pretty impressive.
Chico: Number 4 in July. But for all intensive
purposes, the survey taken for the show was...
Ryan: Will he have the same media impact as
Carpenter did for Millionaire?
Chico: He might. I mean, I've seen stories in the
local paper, and he has no local connection! I think
that when he DOES get dethroned, it's gonna be a field
Gordon: It will be major - from both camps.
Ryan: Yes and you can bet that someone will
suspect that he was put up against impossible
competition, bad categories, etc... But I think that
then the race will be on to beat the record - someone
will most likely have a streak in the dozen game range
and people will start talking again.
Gordon: That's what makes this fun... and then
there's that Tournament of Champions thing.
Ryan: Exactly! And for a lot of viewers, the name
"Thom McKee" doesn't mean anything. When is the ToC
scheduled for right now?
Chico: Not quite sure. Probably not before the
next College Championship. We would've heard about it.
Ryan: This is true - do you think they're waiting
until he loses?
Chico: Wouldn't surprise me.
Ryan: I can see Merv prepping the next Super J!
tournament as we type...
Chico: Also wouldn't surprise me.
Gordon: Well, you do have at least 15 champions
for this past season, even though Ken occupied a good
chunk of it. I wonder... if he continues his run into
the next season if he would have enough credentials to
be included in both this years AND next year's TOC.
Ryan: *That* would be an interesting
proposition... he's good but I figure like everyone else
he should have one shot at the proper ToC. As for
invitations for special tourneys, well, that's not my
Chico: No, but it wouldn't hurt to push the idea.
Gordon: You've never had that problem before,
since when you have had 5 days, you would go when you
finished. The qualifications this time around isn't on
wins, it's money, and there would be a good chance that
Jennings would have enough money in this season to
qualify for the season coming up. I think 1.1 million
plus may be good enough to qualify for this past season.
Ryan: Still though, what if he would have put
together 30 odd games in the middle of the season - just
because he does it over a break doesn't mean that he
should have special privileges.
Chico: I have to agree. I think that it should
be, if it isn't, measured into the period between
tourneys, rather than seasons.
Gordon: Well, it depends on when the 30 games is.
If he goes 15 on one season and 15 on the other, then
Chico: Because there's no tournament to separate
Gordon: I also don't think that they had any idea
that they would get this sort of potential dilemma.
Ryan: So if by dumb luck the contestant staff
calls me and I start in June, then I get two
tournaments? That really doesn't seem 100% fair. Last
time I checked... fair to the point that they don't
change the rules en route.
Gordon: If they are thinking like I do - double
the Jennings = double the ratings.
Chico: And all of a sudden, fairness and
integrity go out the window and you have a NEW game show
Chico: Would you honestly want to create that?
Gordon: Not a scandal - just a dilemma.
Ryan: Double the Jennings? Paging Julie Chen,
Arnold Shapiro, please come to the front desk...
Chico: Good segue there.. You're learning.
Gordon: So what do you think about Double the
Chico: I think Natalie's the hot one? =p
Gordon: Here, moley, moley moley
Ryan: I think it's an interesting twist but there
are other things that could be done to improve the show.
Chico: I think after a while, the novelty wears,
and Project DNA becomes Project DNR once again.
Gordon: Do you think they are done with the
Ryan: Probably not - didn't they make a minor
rule change to guarantee that at least Natalie would
stay in the house if Adria got the boot?
Ryan: Gee, I wish I had that kind of power...
Chico: Me too... And I'm a twin, so think about
how I feel about this!
Gordon: I have twin sisters.
Ryan: Yeesh! Do you notice though how the
hamsters this year are a little more peeved than
Gordon: The hamsters seem to have had Jolt put
into their water
Ryan: I'd need Jolt too if I had to talk to Julie
Chen three times weekly, if not more.
Chico: You know what the problem is... Narrow age
bracket. Not really a diverse crowd this year.
Gordon: It's very diverse in terms of culture.
Ryan: It's pretty much your stereotypical bunch
Chico: You get rid of the oldest guy, then you
get the rest of the crowd as a naive bunch of... morons,
to be honest.
Ryan: Pretty much.
Chico: But something happened over the last
week...The morons... started to think.
Chico: Should we be scared?
Ryan: The fire is burning!!!
Chico: Should we start calling clergy?
Ryan: From what I've seen, a show like BB doesn't
really involve thinking that much (unless you count
"scheming", which I guess we should).
Gordon: I think that certain people have been
thinking for the whole time - and Will and Karen, the
smart hamsters are being smart and quiet and out of
Ryan: The more you stay low, the further you go?
Chico: The rest of them are in a collective brain
trust... and they're giving their all to the brain
trust, so that when one leaves, vis a vis Scott, chaos
Gordon: They are playing BB perfectly - let the
two sides knock each other out, then swoop in at the end
and gather the pieces. That's what Jun did to perfection
Chico: And for the most part, they're succeeding.
Not failing... Unlike some real stinkers that have
invaded the airwaves... Big Board time, I think.
Ryan: Light it up!
Chico: Today's subject: The Summertime Blues.
Ryan: I have a cure.
Chico: First off I can name... "The Player". A
game with no discernable rule book and no discernable
Gordon: I got your cure for you right here.
Ryan: That could easily apply to BB as well...
Chico: And no discernable likeable characters?
Ryan: You talking The Player or BB?
Chico: The Player.
Gordon: I think you have likable characters in
BB5. I think the Player reminds me of Cupid, Urban
Ryan: Can't comment, I'm safe from the grasps of
the UPN here in St. John's.
Chico: I think reality TV has to keep it real
sometimes... This is just... too unreal. People didn't
Chico: Did you buy it, Gordon?
Gordon: Buy what - The Player, BB5 or St. Johns?
Chico: The Player.
Gordon: Well, the St. Johns in NYC is under
athletic corruption charges, so I won't buy that - and I
don't buy the Player either. There is nothing original
or entertaining here, and I although I liked the
premise, the execution is awful.Unoriginal premise + Bad
execution + Unlikeable characters = under 3.0 Nielsen
Chico: Right. Second failure: On the Cover. So
bad, that it was pulled after two shows, only to return
this week. Will it meet the same fate?
Gordon: No - it will be on for at least a week.
Chico: It's just too covoluted. Someone along the
line forgot the Golden Rule: KISS. Keep it simple, jacka...
Gordon: We have to stick Next Action Star in
Chico: Number three on the loser hit parade.
Althoguht it did deliver on its promise of a movie that,
for most part, wasn't that bad, it just wasn't Hollywood
Gordon: It was - it was B-Movie caliber.
Chico: Any more failures? Oh wait! I forgot
Studio 7! Talk about disarray.
Ryan: I haven't seen it (also the WB sadly is
missing from my lineup) but from what I've heard the
observation/recall round isn't that entertaining.
Gordon: Great premise + Bad Format + Uneven
Execution = under 2.0 Nielsen rating.
Chico: The quiz elements are solid, hands down..
Outside of that, it's just... what the..
Gordon: The quiz part is solid - but once again,
they aren't making the characters compelling
Ryan: And if it had been on ABC, it would have
gotten slightly better ratings?
Chico: Not really... Ever see ABC recently?
Ryan: Come to think of it, I've seen all 13
episodes of Hope and Faith, so no, I don't ever watch
Chico: Maybe. I mean, I don't see Mark Burnett
pulling a hard quizzer, but if it was compelling enough
for him to believe in it, I think we'd see a winner.
Gordon: Can I suggest another Big Board?
Chico: You can.
Ryan: Go for it.
Gordon: Game Show Disasters on ABC.
Ryan: The Family.
Gordon: All American Girl.
Ryan: Are you Hot?
Chico: The CHAIR!
Ryan: You Don't Know Jack (although I loved it)
Gordon: What about Monopoly!
Ryan: The ultimate love test
Chico: Exception: The Bachelor series.
Gordon: and WWTBAM, of course
Ryan: What about series one of The Mole?
Gordon: The Mole had 4 seasons, so it would be a
hit show in my eyes
Ryan: Thank you :P
Chico: yeah, although two were celeb-ridden. Form
failure and a round of Outburst, we go to a success in
Latin American markets: Gana la Verde, "Win the Green",
in which contestants undergo Fear Factor style stunts to
win a green card. Thoughts?
Ryan: Very bizarre premise - you'd think you'd
have to do something a little more intelligent to win a
Gordon: I think they are playing with fire here.
Chico: It's one of those instances when a genre
serves as more of a social commentary than anything
else. It just makes me uneasy thinking about that.
Gordon: With the level of security that the
country is dealing with here, all it takes is one
terrorist to win their way into America via a game show
and we can have the Communist Scare all over again.
Chico: That's what makes me uneasy.
Ryan: But is the prize not just a lawyer to help?
It's not guaranteed, is it?
Chico: Let me check the crib notes here. Okay,
the prize is a year of legal help to get their green
card status pushed.
Gordon: Yes, but any good terrorist will have a
plausible story to tell the legal help - and of course
they will have people from the inside helping him get
Ryan: This is true...
Chico: It's frightening... Not just the process,
but the possible after effects..
Gordon: This is a very scary world to be living
in, and I think that the people who created this idea
weren't thinking of the ramifications.
Chico: Okay, good place to break. Still to come
on the We Love to Interrupt program, we kick off the Big
Five with Biggest Game Host in the last five years...
Gordon: And when we come back, we see if we can
earn our acting card as we do some role-play.
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